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giantess zinenotes from early '97
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€What looks good on a giantess and why?
€braids, a pony tail, or corn rows would look
terrific on a giantess
€women of color and strong women. there are too many thin
blonde models out there
€so what about hair style and color? I think
wild colors would be amazing.
€blues and greens on a blonde, purple and
bright red on darker skins
€ Has anyone seen the publicity shots of Milla Javonick
who will be in "The Fifth Element?" Wow! Bright red (or
possibly red orange) hair and an amazing outfit. She would
make an amazing giantess!
€massive jewelry of any kind
€ the jewelry doesn't need to be that
massive! even things like waist chains would give a sense of
power and mass. imagine a chain with tiny quarter inch
links. on a brobdinagian giantess these become quarter foot
links and would be difficult to hold a good length of chain.
at the bg scale they are six inch links and would look link
the chain that holds an anchor on a ship.
€In general anything that normally looks delicate scaled
up tends to grab the viewer and give a bit of a shock. In
the '93 Attack of the Fifty Foot Woman we have Daryl Hannah
twirling a tire on her finger when she is only 35 feet. The
image was more effective later on in the movie when she was
twice that height and holding the Porsche. You are reminded
visually that she wouldn't be able to do the same stunt with
her larger fingers.
€I really like the idea of lots of hardware
on the clothing of a giantess (how about it Stephanie?).
Belt buckles are good, largish belt buckles are even better.
Clothing from the late 60s would probably be outstanding. I
probably shouldn't even start about the image of hip huggers
now.
€With a giantess you have to worry about the differences
between the clothing she is wearing and what the rest of the
world has. An alien giantess from a spaceship can be wearing
anything, but a solitary giantess would have a great deal of
difficulty coming up with some of the huge buckles and
accessories we've been talking about.ß
€A giantess is more of a magical being so she can wear
what she wants. If you want to have her wearing
something specific you can write it into the story line. I
guess some guys would like to see a situation where it is
very difficult to clothe her:-)
€I like the idea of almost anything that shows off her
curves. People have made the comment that she and her
clothing are like architecture if she is big enough. I tend
to agree. Anything that laces up across space (a laced top)
gives a sense of structure as do clothes that hug the body
where it curves.
€Ah yes; hiphuggers. They are coming back
into style noßw just like everything else if you just
wait long enough. Anything that rides above the hip will
show an open area where the waist tapers unless the jeans
are tapered themselves. I happen to think the open area is
very cool and the shadows that are cast accent the curve of
the body there. Of course anything like this would be
dynamite on a giantess.
€Being skinny I don't have much taper, but it
is a very nice place to stick things like brushes, pens or
anything that will fit.Now if I was one hundred and thirty
feet tall I would be sticking other things in the space.
€I'll vote for really loud raunchy clothes. There's
nothing like a seven story women who wears five foot
platforms just because they're there. I'm afraid I sort of
like very tight little things myself and can see our giant
women showing off more than a bit of leg. Of course shaving
is a pain in the ass.
€I guess if you're a giantess you can get
several little guys to do your legs for you.
€this brings up the question of bras. i can't imagine a
giant women putting up with them.
€but she'd get
arrested if she got horny>
€isn't that the idea?
€shudder - horny giantesses. lesbian or straight?
€teehee
€I think if you were going to do something like ads you
let the size of the giantess speak for itself. Strange or
non-existant clothes aren't really necessary.
€That depends on what you want to do.
You might make the argument that Claudia Schiffer
looks good in anything. On the other hand you can make her
look stunning and with some interesting clothing. Fashion
can be used to make interesting statements and a giant women
would be an amazing mannequin for fashion.
€i like the kind of wild clothing that i was
attracted to as a teenager. my mother wouldn't let me wear
it because it was "too hot." i ended up cutting clothes i
already had to the point where they screamed "hey look at
me" and would wear them when i knew she couldn't find out.
that is what I'd wear if i was really tall..
€I think that clothing that emphasis the female curves
work well. Anything from spandex workout clothes to tops and
bottoms with strings that go through the air rather than
across the body because there is a curve.
€The same goes for the pose. If a giant woman
has a great ass she should show it. The line from the hips
to the waist could be dramatic for a little person on the
ground. This might sound sexist, but if she is looking at
something on the ground closeup her ass should be up in the
air rather than having her laying down. It lets everyone
know that this huge beautiful thing is really a woman.
€Has anyone else had Barbie fantasies? As far as I know I
had Barbies since I was two or three. I played with them
like everyone else until I was in second grade or there
abouts, but still had them in my room through high school.
About the time I hit puberty I really grew quickly -
something like ten inches in a single year. My family is
short and I was embarrased at being taller than my brothers
and Dad when I topped out at 5'8".
During my growth phase I used to fantasize about
continuing my growth to about thirty five feet or so - in
other words the rest of the world would be Barbie sized to
me. This was probably me dealing with a world that was
relegating me to a lower position - all of the standard
problems that girls have in school at that time.
None of this ever got very sexual, but I do remember
thinking that it would be cool to wear my mom's tight
leather dress to a football game as a giant girl. Strange -
no?
I've talked with my best friend about this and she had
similar fantasies for awhile. I bet this would be a great
way to do ads for teenage girls and women.?
I was never embarrased in my fantasies -- it was always
very cool to be so tall and powerful. Every now and again I
have a dream where I'm as tall as an office building and
they are always enjoyable.
€wow a woman after my own heart! i did the
same thing. i out grew barbies, but there was an age where I
wanted the world to be barbie sized or even smaller. i think
it was healthy as it got me thinking about the sex-roling of
work and made me made enough to go into mechanical
engineering.
i used to wonder if there were guys who would be
interested in a woman six times taller than they were. i
used to wonder about this lots.
€I went through the same period, but I thought about even
smaller people. I remember reading Gulliver's Travels
in tenth grade and wondering what it would have been like to
have been Gulliver in Lilliput. I went through the house and
did the foot to an inch mental calculations and tried to
imagine what the world would look like at that scale.
It was difficult to imagine cars and homes, but my older
brother had several dozen 1:25th scale plastic cars. I
remember picking up a few of these and wondering what I
would look like to three inch tall people inside. It was a
powerful feeling. I also remeber thinking what Barbie would
have looked like to little people in the HO railroad
downstairs.
€My Dad had just been laid off and I used to
think about going down to the picket line as a 130 foot
sixteen year old. I remember thinking that I would have the
power to get everyone their jobs back.
€In college I actually wrote a short story on the theme
as well as an alternative script for the 1993 version of the
Attack of the Fifty Foot Woman. for a writing class.
They were teaching us about backplots and I wrote fifty
pages on one for the movie.
€Count me in. I went through the same phase,
but I still think about it every now and again - like when I
see a Coors Light ad, a movie like the Attack of the Fifty
Foot Woman or read this list.
€Dolls give girls a safe world where they can
be in control and manipulate things. They let us stretch our
imaginations and create situations where people interact. I
don't know how many of us begin to wonder about strange
worlds where the dolls are real living people and they
recognize that we are much larger and more powerful. This
type of fantasy was one that I enjoyed acting out.
Whenever I feel powerless about something I think about
what it would be like to be a giant woman where everyone
would recognize my power just by looking at me. I never
destroy things, but would certainly have the power to do so
if I wanted.
I agree that this could be a powerful advertising image.
The ads I've seen don't seem to tap this fantasy that
many of us have had. You do have to wonder how the rest of
the world would react to such a powerful woman.
Now a more interesting area of speculation may be why are
there giants in the myths of many cultures, but giant women
are far and few between?
€Golly, I've actually worried about that one
and have done a bit of research. It turns out that
nearly every culture has at least a few myths with giants,
but giant women are very rare (it makes you wonder where the
giants come from doesn't it?)
The myths with giantesses (Northern European, Greek and a
few from India) tend to do little more than mention the
giantess in passing and/or make her an evil and often ugly
creature. A few Scandanavian and Celtic myths have beautiful
giant women (yay! - that's what I'd like to be!), but again
we're talking about one liners.
Women, other than evil creatures and a few random
goddesses, are rarely powerful in myth anyway and a giant
woman is a very powerful creature to begin with. It
isn't surprising that they are rare. On the other hand
things are changing these days and one wonders about the
place of giant women in contemporary myth. I think the
images and words can be very powerful and work from people
like Stephanie, Ann and Sandy is really modern myth.
€I went through the Barbie stage like many of you and
actually have a small business based on something related. I
really thought it would be cool to be a giantess, but didn't
do anything other than write a few really bad stories as a
teenager.
€I always had good hand/eye coordination and was artsy
enough to major in art in college. Of course art majors
rarely get jobs doing art and I ended up doing "data entry"
work with a BFA. Out of frustration I started painting with
the intention of selling the work. I went to a crafts fair
and discovered miniatures.
Believe it or not there is a small industry devoted to
making very accurate scale houses. I won't call them
"doll houses" as they are much more elaborite than the
Malibu Barbie Beach House you may have had as a kid.
Some of the collectors spend real money on their hobby.
I've seen detailed rooms go for well over $10,000. On the
other hand there are many people who make what they can
themselves and buy or trade for the items they can't make.
Almost all of the work is in "one inch" scale - the scale
of Gulliver's Travels.
My particular business is making 1/12 scale paintings and
picture frames. I'm only been doing this for three years
(I've been out of college for four years) and am doing well
enough that I'll probably quit my data entry job and do this
full time.
I don't tend to think of myself as a giant woman when I'm
doing the work as a 2 by 3 inch painting that will sell for
a few hundred dollars demands real concentration. On the
other hand I do feel very tall and powerful when I'm working
on my own miniature house. Most people make houses from when
they were a kid or from some historical period, but I'm
building what I would like to live in if I could afford a
real house.
A friend has a business building finished homes for
collectors who have more money than time. Some of my
paintings are commissioned for some of these houses and I've
been called in as an interior decorator to figure out deails
like customized wallpapers. It is an interesting feeling to
be in the display room when no one else is around. The room
is large enough that you don't notice it and he places the
houses in small lots with little cobblestone roads so it
looks like a little village. At night with the streetlights
the feeling is almost spooky and you really feel like a
giant woman towering over even the largest three story
houses that only come up to your hips.
My SO thinks this is a bit strange, but likes the idea of
giant women. She didn't go through thinking about it
as a kid, but she wasn't someone who dealt with dolls very
much anyway. Her contribution to all of this was to buy me a
fantastic 1/12 scale motorcycle for our anniversary. It is
very cool.
€wow; that place sounds amazing! do you have
tours?
€And now a different subject. What does a giant woman do
for a living other than stand around and look huge? Has
anyone thought about this? My own fantasy was to have her
move very heavy things that would be difficult for men or
machines (I was a preteen when I thought about this)
€I didn't work out the full life of a giant
woman in my teenage fantasies. I just imagined how my own
life would change if I was six times as tall. All of the
standard teenybopper things like being a cheerleader,
fashion model, rockstar and generally secure and cool person
that I didn't think I was.
I didn't think of being enormously tall as being
attractive to guys. I guess I thought that being tall
was a negative as far as femine beauty goes. To me it was
something very loud like a tongue piercing or bright blue
hair might be today. I do remember being turned down for a
dance by this super yummie boy I had been thinking about for
a year and daydreaming about being a giant woman in a
supershort minishirt and tight tube top. In my fantasy I
caught him on his motorcycle and put him on top of the
school. I then did what I thought was an explicit dance for
him.
Hey. It worked for me. Later I discovered that boys
weren't for me, but I still think being super tall would be
cool.
€Giantess jobs. I used to think I would make a really
cool dancer as a giantess.
€I wanted to do construction work and being a giantess
would be a natural.
€Life guard on an ocean beach. I was a pool
life guard as a teenager, but wasn't allowed to work on the
beach because "girls are strong enough". Of course there
would be my pet Orca Winnie and we'd play catch with unused
rowboats.
€Maybe this is too showy, but either a 70' fashion model
or a 70' female lead singer in a rock band. It would
be so awesome to wear the sound system.
€gee; i guess my thirteen story biker bitch
who carries her own motorcycle gang on her beltpack is a bit
over the top.
€whee!
€teehee
€I wanted to be a construction worker and dancer in a
Barbie sized world. Not at the same time.
€Remember Anne's story with the four female
Gullivers? Beach Volleyball!
€Policewoman or billboard painter.
€Actress. I'm sure someone would write parts for her.
Maybe she would even do that herself. Come to think of it
she would make an amazing grip.
€It would be fun to be a spokemodel. Maybe one of the
authors out there can write a few interesting commercials.
They wouldn't think you were an airhead if you could hold a
Taurus in your hand.
€Animal trainer --- a really big animal trainer.
€house elephants?
€Have you seen those guys who work the ropes on a blimp?
€Alien seems like the natural job and they get those cool
flying saucers. It would be sort of fun to pocket Agent
Mulder anyway.
€How about superhero? They get all of the neat jobs and
clothes anyway. A giant woman could be a superhero with her
size being her special strength - none of this flying,
invisibility or xray vision. Come to think of it she gets
all of those other cool superheros and villans to play with.
€A really tall giantess could be a traffic reporter
without a helicopter. Of course she'd have to be really
careful where she stepped.
€aside from clothes, what things would you want on your
scale if you were a giantess? i would want books, paper and
a pen along with the usual personal care products.
€I guess the locals could build things like
big books. I'd need a powerbook with a twelve foot screen.
€This brings up privacy, which I've never
thought about. I might want a bathroom to my size along with
a bedroom.
€How about a magnifying glass:-)
€I'll hazard a guess that guys like to see giant women in
bikinis or nothing at all more than we do, but a powerful
image probably works for them as well as it does for us -
even if they end up seeing it differently.
€Speak for yourself. I'll take a gal over a
guy any day.
€So who would ads appeal to? I think this is an important
question because the image is culturally powerful. I know
that ads targeted towards women would work because I've
mentioned some ideas to my female associates and friends.
With women you emphasize the silent power of a giant woman.
With men you use it to get their attention.
€You're probably right about guys and gals
seeing images or reading stories differently. This doesn't
mean that well written stories or amazing artwork can't work
for both. I know there are a lot of guys who like giantess
images. Stephanie sent mail where she thinks her feedback is
about 90% male. There may be many reasons for this, but I'm
not going to complain. Her art works for us and it
apparently works for guys. She should do a book.
€a giant woman can get away with wearing stuff that i
could never bring myself to wear (and i have worn some
strange stuff) and still be awesome for me. she is throwing
the norms of society to the wind and does what she chooses.
i'm not going to get sexually excited by seeing a woman in
almost nothing, but i might think it is very cool that she
is wearing it near a convention of southern baptists. a guy
might see it the other way around. he may not worry that the
standards of his world are being threatened because he likes
to look at women who are wearing denim shorts with three
foot holes in them.
€Stephanie has been working with photos of
reed thin high fashion models. What sort of model do you
think would be ideal for this sort of work?
€I guess that depends on what the images are
for and if we are talking about images or modern myths that
are written.
For commerical ad work the thin/tall model is the
accepted standard and it might make sense to stick with
that. There are always complaints that only one percent of
women are over 5'10" and are thin, but it does get
attention. Since approximately 0% of women are over 50' I
will claim that it doesn't matter.
€i would love to see women with a bit of muscle. i spend
quite a bit of time in the gym and am very proud of my
muscles even though they aren't very large. it would be sooo
awesome to have someone like cory everson as a giantess.
€Who is Cory Everson?
€she was a famous body builder about ten
years ago. absolutely dropdead gorgous and amazing muscles.
there are gals who have much larger muscles these days, but
they probably use steroids. cory looks very natural.
€I agree - a strong woman is the exactly the right image!
€biceps that a basketball player can't
stretch his arms around!
€A wrist a baskball player can't stretch his
arms around.
€I've been thinking more about the issue of clothing.
Depending on the orgin of the giant woman we have either
alien clothing or something made with existing products.
Alien clothing could either be strange (which might be a
lot of fun) or made to look like earth clothes (to make the
natives feel more familiar?). Clothing made on earth would
probably use very thin fabric with patterns scaled to humans
rather than the giant women. course you can imagine a
clothing company making special pieces for advertising
purposes.
So let's think about the earth-made clothing option for
awhile.
If the giant woman is at the scale where the rest of the
world is Barbie sized we can probably imagine using normal,
but very thin fabrics. Moving up in size to having a
Gulliver sized (12 times) female we probably need to have
extremely thin clothing on her to make it look realistic.
If Stephanie was trying for the effect I'd like to see
her find some very thin filmy, but opaque, material to make
some clothing for the models. It would have to hang
appropriately. Loosely drapped very thin colored pvc (you
can get stuff with thicknesses measured in the thousanths of
an inch.) might make an interesting top.
What do the rest of you think?
€I like the idea of really thin clothing,
although it would be hard to find or make. The seams would
probably be too small to see or maybe the links could be
huge. What about thin chains or strings to hold things
together?
€good points - I hadn't thought about that
before. remember how coarse doll clothes looked on barbie
dolls? my mother went to great lengths to find very thin
fabric, tiny clasps and other things to make the illusion
work better. perhaps you need to make some real clothing
with that sort of stuff to make the point.
€I was just thinking about the cartoon giants when I was
a kid. The shirts were usually fastened by logs.
€PVC a few mils thick! I don't think it
wouldn't last very long, but it would feel amazing! OK - I'm
getting off topic.
€I really like the idea of metallic clothing on an alien.
Anything from chainmail to the new stuff you see real
fashion designers playing with.
€It may be very interesting to have a model photographed
with very thin clothing for something that Stephanie does,
but I don't think it will matter very much. The initial
image of a woman so completely out of scale is what gets the
attention. Maybe such details will be important, but for now
I'm happy with the work we see..
€hmmmm. I'm going to beg to differ Sara. I
went to the trouble of printing out a few of the giantess
collages and , while they work very well on a webpage, the
attention to detail isn't great enough to make artwork that
you hang somewhere and look at all of the time.
I'm not knocking Stephanie's work as I think it is the
best out there. I just wish she had posed models and more
"context" to the work. I think that small details like
clothes that hang at the appropriate scale would be subtle
additions that would turn interesting pieces into art.
€I would rather argue about what goes into
writing rather than how much Stephanie would have to work to
get believable clothing.
In my mind the writing can be much more detailed than the
artwork - or at least it can provide cues to let the
imagination run. Perhaps we need to specify clothing types a
bit more?
€i have a ribbed top that is about 1/8" thick except for
the ribs which are twice that thickness. in a lilliputian
world the ribs wouldn't even show up. to have the effect you
would want to leave them at their normal size.
what i'm saying is that some clothes would be very cool
if left at normal size and others would be great if you did
them super thin.
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